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destoutz	original early black Nikon F??????	Lead	[-]
Posts: 41 (12/31/2007 07:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Another possibility to throw ones money through the window: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190186996226 The synchro selector ring is from a chrome camera - therefore one of the famous Japanese black repaints ? The manual is a first edition from 1959 - too early for a 1960 camera - so it cannot be an original setup.
Nikon HS Webmaster		#1	[-]
Posts: 2138 (12/31/2007 03:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Manual is indeed too early, and the box is too late. The camera is an obvious repaint, as I am sure would be even more obvious in person. These messes from Japan are now an everyday affair.
destoutz	Example of a fake camera	#2	[-]
Posts: 41 (01/01/2008 08:43 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	A few years ago my friend living somewhere in the United States (he is a NHS-member) bought such an early black Nikon F camera (#6408xxx) in absolutely mint condition from another NHS-member for thousands of Dollars. I warned him to buy it - mint early black cameras coming without the original box are always suspicious, specially when the price is expensive. The camera was shown to another well known Nikon expert (also a NHS-member) and he certified the camera being absolutely authentic. I disassembled the camera under the eyes of my friend and what we found was absolutely demoralising. Some examples: The internal number was not etched into the front plate above the bayonet mount as it usually is on authentic early cameras. There was black enamel on the camera casting, where it usually is grey. Even the internal number stamped on the back side of the casting is partially covered with black enamel. The finder release button is not flat as it should be (looks like chrome finish has been redone). And the chrome rewind base has strange traces of file work at the rear edge - never seen on another camera. To see what it should look like: http://www.destoutz.ch/typ_body_casting-numbers.html and http://www.destoutz.ch/typ_finder-releases.html And the worst is yet to come: the strap eyelets fixed with today's Philips-screws! I found all this (and a lot more) in a brand new early black Nikon F camera! BUYER BEWARE!
Nikon HS Webmaster		#3	[-]
Posts: 2138 (01/04/2008 08:18 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"Absolutely mint condition" always makes me nervous. Internal numbers are not always there, however the rest is awful, especially the overpainted numbers on the back. There are internal numbers on many Nikon bodies including the S2, but they seem to vary, some have them, some do not. Richard have you any idea when it stops on the F? Or how consistent it is? Have you found higher numbers with engraved serial numbers? The F above is really obvious of course, without even tearing it down. Just the prism release being torn up, and the counter numbers would have done it for me. It is odd though to find a camera with changed plates, it rarely happens. This camera is really a mess it would appear. I notice some brass screws peeking out there, but those philips head screws are a hoot. Last Edited By: Nikon HS Webmaster 01/04/2008 08:23 AM. Edited 2 times.
vysk	...surprises me that a master forger wouldn't "get it all right"	#4	[-]
Posts: 475 (01/04/2008 09:46 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	...surprises me that a master forger wouldn't "get it all right"...
Nikon HS Webmaster		#5	[-]
Posts: 2138 (01/04/2008 01:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	vysk wrote: ...surprises me that a master forger wouldn't "get it all right"... This is actually a very sloppy job, I am surprised anyone thought it was original. What worries me is the person who authenticated it. This not a master forger, very few fakes are well done. To do this right one would at least clean the camera! But in this case it was so dirty there was no way you could not see it was not new. This kind of sale happens when the buyer has not seen new cameras, and they are very excited to own one. I hope this mess was returned to the seller? Last Edited By: Nikon HS Webmaster 01/04/2008 01:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
destoutz	black fake camera	#6	[-]
Posts: 41 (01/04/2008 03:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It was too late to return the camera to the seller. My friend and I have destroyed the fake to end the frustrating story. That's what I would expect of any serious collector. But now we have a YouTube film showing a NHS-member selling miltary-green Nikon F cameras... I have published some internal numbers on my website: http://www.destoutz.ch/typ_body_casting-numbers.html Since now all the original early F cameras that I have opened had an internal number. Seldom the number etched on the front side differs from the number stamped on the back side of the casting.

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